[Asim]

yes tell me?

[Owais]

so tell me what you wanna discuss?

[Wayne]

Descending… Before ascension… There seems to be a theme of loss, personal chaos and to some extent, self destruction as a first step, letting go of everything wiping the slate clean, if you wil,l that many go through as a part of the awakening process. I don’t know if everyone has to experience it but it seems like a common enough experience. I want to talk about staying afloat. How do you know that you haven’t just lost it. How do you continue to be effective in a world that you no longer believe in? How can you continue to believe in yourself when all the check marks seem to be going in the other column? Weakness of character, will?

Can you on any level decide that enough is enough in order to make tangible progress toward becoming. Or is it decided beyond you… That you are ready? How do you learn to consistently transcend in the pull between opposing energies. Is it a matter of will, desire? Is it brute force and discipline… How do you become new remember and not look back…? How do you become the example for those who also struggle? Ego?

What good is knowing if you can’t seem to get going anywhere? Not theory. Not cliche practical practice to slow, stop and change the direction that momentum now carries you…

Practical methods for surviving the chaos that is now and that which is soon to come?

• This reply was modified 9 months, 3 weeks ago by  Wayne.

[suki]

Your commentary was sort of bouncing all over the place, but in some crazy way I felt I understood because I feel like I have been bouncing all over the place in my journey to ascension. I take two steps upward, one step back, one step up, two steps back down… And I think sometimes we need to take time to grieve the loss of the life we thought was real, before we can become what we are truly meant to be. So I say, it’s okay to feel the loss, and sometimes the confusion over what used to be highly valued and what we were taught to believe was important toward success. To lose our ego feels like a loss of part of yourself. But we do need to say goodbye to that as best we can so we can look forward, not back, forward toward the better life we were meant to live. The life we CAN live if we open our hearts to it. (and not forget, it takes practice and time).

So maybe I understood? If not, that’s okay too because I got something out of your post, enough to want to respond, so thank you. Best wishes to you in your ascension.

[Asim]

wede

[Asim]

hello

[Wayne]

Your reply to my question is wede? Weed? Pot? Or am I reading incorrectly?

[Dino]

I don’t have the most experience I’m sure but from what I do know, anything mind altering is not the way to go. Stick to what you know, don’t give up and always find some positive in the negatives and you’ll find your way.

[Wayne]

Hey Dino, in most situations, I would agree with you without question. However, there is, I’ve learned a difference between “use” and “abuse”. Shaman’s and seers such as the oracle at delphi have always used things to clarify their vision, to help them to journey into unknown realms. Compounds such as LSD, Ayuasca, Mescaline and Psilocybin have been studied and documented by none less than the CIA. And, they have beed documented as being able to expand the mind and allow the veil to be pierced, permitting an individual to “travel”. Unfortunately… we have seen recreational use of such substances, which to me, is akin to a child play with a lit torch and all that that implies.

[suki]

I think mind-altering is good for SOME people. I believe many cultures, for sure mine (USA), have been deprived of what ancient peoples used naturally to assist in connecting to higher consciousness. It’s a personal choice–one I wish I wasn’t denied. And I wish I could afford to take a trip to South America for the ayahuasca experience.

[Wayne]

Recap: After reading my initial inquiry, it doe seem to be a bit disjointed’

Point: As we move into the process of ascending, the first stop for many seems to be the chaos of letting go of all the false learning. The process may also include losses of a material and financial nature. My question was related to the ensueing chaos related to the (seemingly) more tangible material losses i.e. housing, income etc. Since my original post, I have reached some of my own conclusions which I will share.

As you progress, be prepared to have your world turned upside down. It is one thing to “believe” in something and quite another to “know” it… The road to “knowing” may cover some rough terrain. If you should find yourself passing through such terrain, keep in mind that nothing and noone lasts forever. Know that whatever you may be going through will come to an end. Be diligent. Always seek the lesson in the situation. Don’t allow yourself to become attached to the “appearance of things”. Consider it to be nothing more than a show, a performance. that holds for you a lesson, that you, yourself have deemed important. Become the observer. During those times of difficulty, learn to look at the situation, not as yours (don’t claim it) but as as situation. As the observer, what would you tell the person that you are observing? Ask for the lesson. Try not to allow for “why is this happening to me”, but “this too shall pass. What can I learn from this experience.

Imagine the issue to be like a kite, as you become emotionally attached to the issue you add more strings. The more you talk about it, you add more strings, When you tell people about it … strings. The more strings… the more difficult it will be to let go.

Become the observer. Watch as it comes (what you did or did not do to manifest it). As it attempts to settle in, ask for the lesson. Seek the lesson and let it go….. Its existence (whatever “It” is), It’s life, if you will, depends on your attention for its survival…. LEARN AND LET GO…. LEARN TO LET GO

Take heart in know that it was created by you and you have the power to change it… IT’S ALL JUST AN ILLUSION.

[Asim]

hello shahab